From Wandering to Oneness: Aaron Abke on the Christic Path
- Justin Carpenter
- Jul 18
- 5 min read
Updated: Jul 22
Oh, what winding, wandering paths we’ve walked, drifting from the radiant center of our being—the heart, the soul, the Christic Way. The message of Christ is breathtakingly simple: love one another, abide in unity, and awaken to the divine truth within. Yet, in a world shrouded by the complexities of deception, fear, and ego, that clarity often feels obscured, leaving us yearning for a way back home. So, how do we realign? How do we strip away the illusions and return to the heart of the Way?
That’s why I’m beyond excited to welcome Aaron Abke, the visionary founder of 4D University and creator of The Jesus Way Podcast, to this episode. Aaron’s teachings are a beacon for spiritual seekers, offering a roadmap to rediscover the Christic path through love, forgiveness, and Unity Consciousness. In this conversation, we’ll dive deep into the transformative wisdom of The Gospel of Thomas, a sacred text that unveils the mystical teachings of Jesus, and The Law of One, a profound metaphysical framework that reveals the oneness of all creation. Aaron will share how these ancient truths guide us to shed the ego, embrace authenticity, and realign with the divine essence within us all.
Prepare for an episode that will stir your soul, challenge your perceptions, and inspire you to return to the simplicity and power of the Christic Way. Whether you’re a longtime seeker or just beginning your spiritual journey, this discussion with Aaron Abke will light the path back to the heart. Don’t miss it!
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Quick recap
Justin and Aaron shared their personal journeys of spiritual awakening and deconstruction, with both coming from backgrounds as pastors' sons and exploring alternative spiritual paths beyond traditional Christianity. They discussed their experiences with skepticism, near-death experiences, and the challenges of redefining their identities outside religious frameworks, while emphasizing the importance of authenticity and personal growth. The conversation concluded with an exploration of spiritual concepts including the Law of One, the Two Ways philosophy, and the role of negative polarity in the universe, along with discussions about God's nature and the significance of service to others.
Summary
Journeys of Faith and Deconstruction
Justin and Aaron shared their journeys of spiritual awakening and deconstruction, highlighting their common backgrounds as third or fourth-generation pastors' sons. Justin described his realization that religion and God are not synonymous, leading him to reconnect with spirituality through plant medicine and the Law of One. Aaron detailed his deconstruction process, which began in his teens with cognitive dissonance over biblical contradictions and culminated in his departure from a fundamentalist church after witnessing hypocrisy and dogmatism. Both discussed their experiences with skepticism and the challenges of redefining their identities outside traditional religious frameworks, emphasizing their search for authentic, reality-based spiritual understanding.
Exploring NDEs and Religious Beliefs
Aaron shared his journey of exploring near-death experiences (NDEs) and how they influenced his religious beliefs. He discovered that NDEs often involve similar themes across cultures, including a sense of leaving the body and encountering a light. This led him to question and ultimately reject some aspects of Christianity, particularly the emphasis on Paul's teachings over Jesus's. Aaron realized that Jesus's message focused more on works and love than on faith alone, which contradicted the traditional Christian doctrine of salvation. He now approaches religious discussions with empathy and humility, recognizing the difficulty of deconstructing deeply held beliefs.
Leaving Religion: A Personal Journey
Aaron shared his personal journey of leaving traditional Christianity, which led to the loss of most friends and family, including a public debate with a pastor that caused stress. He described a 4-year period of depression before his life improved after starting a YouTube channel in 2018. Aaron emphasized that while leaving religion can be painful, especially for those deeply entrenched in it, authenticity ultimately leads to positive changes and attracts grace.
Spiritual Growth and Interpersonal Reconciliation
Aaron shared his personal journey of spiritual growth and reconciliation with his father, highlighting how his father's initial resistance to Aaron's views on spirituality evolved into a deeper understanding and alignment. Aaron emphasized the importance of allowing others to find their own path without forcing beliefs, citing his own approach with his father as an example. He also discussed how studying the Law of One helped him develop compassion for others' spiritual journeys and avoid judgment. Justin acknowledged the value of Aaron's approach and the lessons learned from the Law of One about the interconnectedness of teaching and learning.
Interconnectedness and Service in Spirituality
Justin and Aaron discussed the Law of One, a series of channeled recordings from the late 1980s and 1990s, which teaches that everything in the universe is interconnected and that there are two fundamental paths: service to self and service to others. They explored how this concept aligns with other spiritual teachings, including the Gospel of Thomas and the idea of polarity in the universe. Aaron explained that understanding polarity can help simplify religious debates and that the negative polarity, which is not inherently evil but represents contraction and absorption, can eventually lead to a reversal and embrace of the positive polarity, which focuses on expansion and service to others.
Two Ways" Philosophy Discussion
Aaron discussed the concept of the "Two Ways" philosophy, which he believes was the original teaching of Jesus and the Nazarene Essenes. He explained that this philosophy emphasizes the choice between a path of life, characterized by love and non-harm, and a path of death, represented by violence and suffering. Aaron argued that this philosophy was rejected by mainstream Christianity, leading to centuries of violence and suffering in the name of Christ. He concluded that following the "Two Ways" requires personal growth and self-responsibility, rather than relying on a savior to do it for you.
Negative Polarity and Love's Contrast
Aaron and Justin discussed the role of negative polarity in the universe, emphasizing its necessity for contrast and the development of true love. They explored how negative polarity can subtly influence people to serve themselves without realizing it, drawing parallels to religious dogma. Justin explained the difference between magnetism and electricity as metaphors for enduring and temporary forces, respectively. They also discussed the significance of the 6th chakra and the choice it represents, highlighting the importance of humility and service to others for spiritual growth. Aaron and Justin agreed that the negative polarity provides purpose and meaning by offering contrast to love, allowing individuals to appreciate and deepen their connection to love.
Understanding God's Nature and Ego
Justin and Aaron discussed the 5 O's of God's nature: omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, omnibenevolent, and one. Aaron explained these philosophical axioms logically follow if God is the creator of all things. They agreed that understanding these concepts provides a strong foundation for faith and peace. Aaron also shared his upcoming book, "The 3 Beliefs of Ego," and his work at 4D University, which aims to help people understand the path to 4th density.
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